Issue 1114: Crossing The Lines by John Drewry

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Assigned changed to »EricFerguson« (previously »None«)
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Indeed the “top” changes ends on each repeat, and the dancers move on one place sequentially, so the only fitting progression class is “other”. Corrected. Fixed. Eric

Hm! Eric said: “Indeed the “top” changes ends on each repeat, etc.” Why did you choose “Other” rather than “Top Moves”?

I explained that above. It is a question of definition. I use “Top Moves” if that is the ONLY progression, e.g. in a square set, if each couple in turn functions as “top”, and the dancers return to the same place each time. In “Crossing the line” the top alternates between the ends, but there is also a progression of the couples through the three places; once fully round is 6 times through. That is more than “Top Moves”, and therefore “other”.

I totally agree with Eric’s view, there is a progression in the couples end in addition the couples end on opposite sides which makes the orientation change.

So the progression is basically: 123, 312, 231, 123, 312, 231, ending again 123. The notation is: numbers denote the couples at the start of the dance; the order of the couples is the dancing order, i.e., 1st position is danced by the left-most couple; the star ('') always points into the direction of the stage, i.e., the original top. Thus, every couple dances every position twice, but once the set points towards the stage and once away from it.

The progression type “Top Moves” refers rather to the case of a square set with the couple ending where they started, but the 2nd time through the couple in 2nd place acts as top couple etc until all couples did.

Just my tuppence worth.

Cheers, Heiko

OK, the stars are interpreted as formatting characters… so here once again using a letter that remains visible (please ignore the last post):

I totally agree with Eric’s view, there is a progression in the couples end in addition the couples end on opposite sides which makes the orientation change.

So the progression is basically: s123, 312s, s231, 123s, s312, 231s, ending again s123. The notation is: numbers denote the couples at the start of the dance; the order of the couples is the dancing order, i.e., 1st position is danced by the left-most couple; the ‘s’ always points into the direction of the stage, i.e., the original top. Thus, every couple dances every position twice, but once the set points towards the stage and once away from it.

The progression type “Top Moves” refers rather to the case of a square set with the couple ending where they started, but the 2nd time through the couple in 2nd place acts as top couple etc until all couples did.

Just my tuppence worth.

Cheers, Heiko

Ok. I just thought that “Top Moves” had priority over the others progressions as I did not see any explanation except here ;-) I think that it is not clear for all co-editors; a simple search in the database shows 7 dances in longwise sets using “Top Moves”. Thank you very much Heiko and Eric!

Presumably if we wanted to sort this out for good we would add progression codes like “213T” (for Crossing the Line), where the “T” at the end denotes that for the next turn “top” is at the bottom end of the set. Although whether we want to go to that sort of trouble for seven dances is probably debatable.

I agree with Anselm. We should not be too punctilious. Basically, if sorting out some detail by hand is less complicated than programming it in perfection, just keep the manual workaround. The important part is a well-functioning user interface.

Perhaps we should ask on the Strathspey List for suggestions on improvements that users desire strongly. Eric.

I agree with you Eric: " We should not be too punctilious." [Not only in different types of progression (67 now)]. For example, who will look for a dance with a 456789123 progression? As a teacher, I like ChangePtnr even if we change in a longwise or square set. In my opinion, I think it is very strange to choose “other” to find dances like “Crossing The Line” (or whatever) where the dance starts with a new top because there is another progression xyz which has priority [I think that it is not possible to change top/bottom in a longwise set without progression (?)]. This comment is mine: I do not want you to change something in progression point of view, it is too late ;-)