Issue 1230: Deviser attribution
- Object
- The Speyside Reel (Dance)
- Submitter
- Adrian Conrad
- Assigned to
- Anselm Lingnau
- Priority
- Normal
- Disposition
- Being handled
- Description
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My hardcopy of Glendarroch Sheet 7 had a typed correction pasted over the original attribution and reading as follows:
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replacement text - Adapted by Derek Haynes from a Threesome Reel devised (1958) by Mr. & Mrs. L. Kemp, Stockton-on-Tees (formerly of Aberdeen).
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as far as I can make it out, the underlying original text seems to have been - Dance devised by Derek Haynes (Lancaster) and based on a version of The Threesome Reel known as The Aberdeen Medley.
My own inclination would be to file this under Derek Haynes’s name as “devisor”, but regardless of whether you change that attribution, i think you need to put this information into the Extra Info section, to explain the linkage between Derek and the Kemps, and between the new name and the original names.
Assuming that you retain the present devisor name “L & E Kemp”, and I’m not sure where hyoiu got that since the correcting text on my copy, as quoted above, only said “Mr. & Mrs. L. Kemp”. Burt I see that a dance and a tune associated with the Ayton Collection are both names “Bessie and Lawrie Kemp”, presumably a couple Lawrence & Elizabeth Kemp who may be the Mr. & Mrs. L. Kemp named.
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Previous Actions
- Date Sept. 9, 2017, 12:53 a.m.
- User Unknown
New issue submitted
- Date Sept. 9, 2017, 10:43 a.m.
- User Eric Ferguson (EricFerguson)
Subject changed to »Deviser attribution« (previously »Devisor attribution«)
Assigned changed to »anselm« (previously »None«)
Disposition changed to »Being handled« (previously »New«)
Many authors have devised dances “based on”, “adapted from”, or “inspired by” earlier dances. I agree with Adrian that any such dance should be attributed to their deviser, and that any information about the “dance genealogy” should have the form of “Notes”. In addition, it is not respectful to the authors of the “parent” dance to attribute to them a dance they have never seen and may disagree with.
I have added Adrian’s comment (shortened) as “Extra Info”.
I see that the online version of the Glendarroch sheet 7 [link on the page] states "Adapted from a Threesome Reel devised (1958) by Mr and Mrs L Kemp, Stockton-on-Tees (formerly of Aberdeen). That omits the attribution to Derek Haynes, but is marked “Copyright, 1966, by Hugh Foss,”. Why would Hugh Foss copyright Derek’s dance? Seems odd.
As this is a matter of general SCDDB policy I leave it to Anselm to decide on the deviser attribution.
Eric
- Date Sept. 9, 2017, 11:58 a.m.
- User Anselm Lingnau (anselm)
I agree with Eric that this dance should be attributed to Derek, with a pointer to its provenance in the “Extra info”.
As far as
Why would Hugh Foss copyright Derek’s dance?
is concerned: Chances are that Derek gave the dance to Hugh Foss to publish, so Hugh Foss holds the right to make and distribute copies, IOW the “copyright”. This is what usually happens in an author-publisher relationship, at least in countries with Anglo-American notions of copyright. (Continental Europe mostly subscribes to a notion of copyright that distinguishes between the “moral rights” of authors, such as the right to be identified as the author of a work, and the commercial rights to exploit a work, such as the right to mass-produce it and sell the copies. An author can dispose of the “exploitation rights” as they wish, e.g., by assigning them to a publisher, but they cannot disclaim the “moral rights”.)
- Date Sept. 9, 2017, 1:03 p.m.
- User Heiko Schmidt (castle_ghost)
Why would Hugh Foss copyright Derek’s dance?
All Glendarroch Sheets carry the copyright by Hugh Foss note at the bottom of the front page (not at each dance if there were 2 on the sheet).