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Issue 1753: Crib inconsistencies

Object
The Viking Ship (Dance)
Submitter
Adrian Conrad
Assigned to
Murrough Landon
Priority
Normal
Disposition
Being handled
Description

Please can Eric F. look at this, since he has adopted The Highlander Collection which includes this dance. Eric, there seem to be multiple inconsistencies:

  • S’pey Bars 9-16 seem to be covering Asquith turns (which are normally 4 bars), plus 2 bars of setting. It’s been suggested that 2 initial bars of movement for Bars 9-10 may be missing from the crib.
  • Spey Bars 9-16 again, 1c & 4c are implied to start these from opp sides but after this figure are said to end “back in original places”, implying on own sides. This net crossing-over does not happen with normal 4-bar Asquith turns.
  • Spey Bars 17-20 imply casting round and back to places in pairs - presumably casting from ends to start, but stated pairings do not make sense if 1c & 4c back on own sides after bar 16 but 2c, 3c then still on opp sides. Even the directions (casting to R or to L) seem peculiar. However this start 1 (2) (3) 4 would be consistent with the 1/2 R&L of bars 21-14 bringing everyone back to own sides,
  • Reel Bars 9-16 are completely confusing and obviously inconsistent since 1c cannot both be dancing RHA with 4c and turning 2C on sides. Alsi if 1c & 4c are doing RHA in centre, hard to see how 2c and/or 3c at ends can be in RH turns. Tnanks, Adrian

Previous Actions

  • Date  Aug. 6, 2019, 12:24 p.m.
  • User  Unknown

New issue submitted

  • Date  Aug. 6, 2019, 10:04 p.m.
  • User  Murrough Landon (murrough)

Assigned changed to »EricFerguson« (previously »None«)

  • Date  Aug. 7, 2019, 2:53 a.m.
  • User  Eric Ferguson (EricFerguson)

Disposition changed to »Being handled« (previously »New«)

These comments refer to the Minicrib of the dance, not to one of our e-cribs.

I have written an e-crib for this dance, which will be published on the dance page once it has been checked. Eric

  • Date  Dec. 11, 2022, 2:58 a.m.
  • User  Eric Ferguson (EricFerguson)

Assigned changed to »murrough« (previously »EricFerguson«)

Hi Murrough, I Hope you can take this on… Eric

  • Date  Dec. 13, 2022, 10:37 p.m.
  • User  Murrough Landon (murrough)

Eric sent me his notes which quote the original MiniCrib at the time Adrian commented on it. The current MiniCrib seems to be updated, at least in the strathspey part. The original instructions do not seem that clear to me either so any crib (including Eric’s draft and as yet unpublished E-crib) seems like a valiant attempt at interpretation. However it is explicit that bars 9-14 of the strathspey part are all turning followed by 2 bars setting.

Adrian if you are still interested I can send you what Eric sent me.