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Issue 2759: 4some etc 7542

Foursome and Half Reel of Tulloch (Dance)
Stephen Webb (SJW)
Assigned to
Anselm Lingnau
Nice to have

The version described here is the same dance as described as 14713 collected by Bill Clement. Since the original of this version 7542) cannot be verified but Bill Clement’s version (14713) can I suggest this version is deleted to avoid any confusion amongst dancers. And it is replaced with the version given in the KR diagram which is called The Foursome Reel & Reel of Tulloch 32S + 32R + 128R. Because joining these two dances (book 3/11 & 12) in this way is a tour de force they are usually danced as The Foursome Reel (Strathspey only) & Half Reel of Tulloch 32S + 64R. Please could KR also add a diagram to reflect this variation.

In fairness to dancers who meet this for the first time it is a pickle and needs sorting out.

Many thanks

Previous Actions

  • Date  April 14, 2022, 12:07 p.m.
  • User  Stephen Webb (SJW)

New issue submitted

  • Date  April 14, 2022, 3:08 p.m.
  • User  Anselm Lingnau (anselm)

Assigned changed to »anselm« (previously »None«)
Priority changed to »Nice to have« (previously »Normal«)
Disposition changed to »Needs help« (previously »New«)

Neither of the two dance entries are going away because they’re both part of existing publications. It would be very strange if the database listing for Scottish Reels are Fun pointed to a similar-but-not-quite-identical dance in Guide to Scottish Country Dancing or vice versa.

What we should do is:

  • Cross-reference the two entries with direct links to each other
  • Point out that this is a traditional dance and there is no single “correct” version
  • Ensure that cribs are connected to matching dance entries (this seems to be OK now, not due to cleverness on my part but happy accident)
  • Ensure that we have diagrams that match the entries and cribs (we will need to enlist Keith to help with this)

Trying to establish the definitive Foursome Reel & (Half) Reel of Tulloch and exclude all inferior pretenders is an exercise in futility because the dance has been around for centuries and the folk process has been working hard on it. It is not the purpose of this database to sort this out for the whole world, and even if we attempted to do so, nobody else would care.

In fairness to dancers who meet this for the first time it is a pickle and needs sorting out.

This is an issue that everybody who puts the Foursome Reel & (Half) Reel of Tulloch on a programme in the 21st century will need to deal with in some way. Perhaps fortunately, the dance is not done anywhere as often as it used to be.

  • Date  May 7, 2022, 10:21 p.m.
  • User  Murrough Landon (murrough)

There were some cross references. I have added a little more text and link to this issue in the extra notes for each of these two dance entries.

  • Date  Jan. 26, 2023, 9:32 p.m.
  • User  Viktor Lehmann (tone2tone)

Disposition changed to »Fixed« (previously »Needs help«)

Most of this issue seems to sorted out. Murrough amended extra info, Keith Rose added all necessary separate diagrams for the three versions. The only thing missing was one of the cribs (7542 had none at all). Based on SCDDB contributed crib of 20860, I wrote and uploaded a variation for 7542. I think we are done then and this issue will be closed.